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Music theory, harmony, rock, blues and jazz improvisation

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Post Sat May 06, 2006 9:48 pm 
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How come you don't say anything about modal playing?

For example: The first thing I teach in any improv class is modes... jazz I start with dorian mode, and build chords and melodies off of that. Next step I teach is Rhythm, silence vs long notes etc.

Post Sun May 07, 2006 6:46 pm 
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Thank you to visit my site.

I base my musical concepts above all on keys.But It is the same modal concepts.It is only a different point of you but I think it is better.
95% of music is based on Keys and not on modal: jazz itself has a minority of modal songs (from 1959...).

for example:

if I find a

Dm7 in C major Key i use C Major scale beginning from D (Dorian)

Dm7 in F Major Key i use F Major scale beginning from D (Eolian)

Dm7 in Bb Major Key i use Bb Major scale beginning from D (Phrygian)

Dm7 in D min Key I use D natural minor scale

Dm7 in Am Key I use A minor scale (natural or also harmonic)

....and so on

If I go to Paris I must speak French

If I go to England I must speak English

....and so on


Chords have not an own scale: they have the scale of the key in which they are (or mode)

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Post Sun May 07, 2006 7:41 pm 
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I can see where you are coming from, but in all your scenarios, a Dm7 is STILL a Dm7... (d,f,a,c)

Even though the chord (take Dm7) has a different effect and reason for what you do with it based on the tonal center of a piece, it is still a Dm7 chord. If you take and build a chord in D off of, say, A major, without flatting 3rd (the c#) the 6th (the f#) it is no longer a Dm7 chord, understand?

Each chord has it's own scale (C 6th is ALWAYS c 6th ), but depending on where it is built inside a musical piece leads to the reason for usage of any chord.

Keep in mind also, Rhythm has as much to do with improv as Notes.

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Post Mon May 08, 2006 4:27 pm 
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Thank You very much for your 2 cents.

The first 4 notes of a chord are always the same, it is obvious,but the other notes that I can use outside of these depend on key in which chord is:

1) Passing notes
2) Delaying notes
3) Turning notes
4) ....

Do You know scale harmonisations?

The word "piano" in italian means:

1) Piano
2) Slow
3) Floor
4) program
5) many other meanings

The world "piano" (in Italian) depends as many other words by its context, like chords.

However in jazz improvisation we can use (in the right way) all 12 notes on all chords.

I base my concepts above all on classic music (Bach, Mozart,Beethoven) other than jazz, blues, pop, rock, ethnic...

In jazz I note much confusion in harmony and many jazz songs, for me, cannot be heard.

In other words there is in some jazz improvisations too much freedom, confusion, and the tonal baricentre often is lost.

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Post Mon May 08, 2006 8:25 pm 
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Yes of course, there are passing notes and turning notes, even modulation notes, some that are dissonant for a specific reason, to cause tension.. I would just be careful how you teach this.. because if you tell someone "D augmented" in the key of G, be careful that you teach that a D AUGMENTED is a D AUGMENTED based on the chord form.

I also agree with you that a lot of times in Jazz, and even some other types of music the "tonal centre" is lost. Sometimes this is okay, as long as it resolves somewhere, and somehow... sometimes the wanted effect is just confusion, but in my opinion, even chaos has a certain order to it.

To answer your question.. yes i know Scale harmonizations and 'comping'. I went to college for Music Education and performance.

Good luck on your site! I just wanted to help clear things up! It is a really nice site, and is pretty well laid out.

Post Mon May 08, 2006 9:14 pm 
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Dear RhoneRanger,

can You post me some your articles on harmony,music theory, improvisation, techniques...so I'll publish them on my site.
I dream to build useful resources to learn music harmony and improvisation
where everyone can add his ideas and informations. icon_rolleyes.gif

However,

Thank You again.

Ciao,
Paolo (Musilosophy).
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Post Mon May 08, 2006 10:36 pm 
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I think all of this is insteresting. I was recently listening to Steely Dan music, and trying to figure what music theory they use in their music. For instance, in the song "Peg," there's definitely passing tones, inversions, and many cool chord progressions. It's just so cool to analyze it. But I've been listening to that song on Napsterlinks.

http://www.napster.com/player/tracks/10001906

You can click on the link above, and enter your email address to hear the full length song. Then, you'll be able to hear more theory stuff that I even haven't been able to figure out. icon_smile.gif

Post Wed May 24, 2006 11:22 pm 
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I hardly call Steely Dan 'intensive music theory'.

Thanks for the spam plug though.

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