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RhoneRanger
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Mixdown - What are you listening for?

Pretty much what the topic says. I have worked up a small studio, (about $2500 now) and I have some decent equipment. Cubase SX3, a good mike, good preamp, mAudio Delta 66 soundcard.

A little background: I went to school for Music Education, have a very good ear, and can hear very subtle differences in both pitch and frequency.

My main question is what exactly are you looking for in a mixdown? The reason I ask, is recently I sat in on a mixdown in a studio in the Twin Cities (Minneapolis and St. Paul in Minnesota) and I thought it sounded terrible! There was not enough 'presence' and the bass was boosted way to high IMO, and a lot of the instruments were out of tune. I asked about this, and the engineer said "We are listening and making it flat"

I took this to assume he was after 0 boosts in a certain frequency, to have a nice even and level sound. BUT, the bass was terrible, and he had the 5k-8k frequency very loud...

I have several questions about this, but I think I gave enough info to start. Thanks!

-Rhone

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This Mixing article may give you some tips --> Mixing 101
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RhoneRanger
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I have already read that, and have learned a lot from it. I am thinking next step though... the final mixdown.

I understand about EQ, Effects, Fader level etc. but I am thinking more about the final sound you are after when you are listening in your monitors...

Flat sound? Boost the bass? Bring out the 12K + for some nice high end? I suppose each song is different, but there must be something else besides "What sounds good"

EDIT: I am pretty satisfied at the end of my mixes, and the people I show them to are too, but I just want to make sure it is right, and standard.

I keep hearing about that book "Modern Recording Techniques" and am thinking about picking that up, if it is as good as you guys say icon_smile.gif

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Sounds like you are referring to audio mastering in which case you would be best to ask the question in here:

http://www.studiorecordingengineer.com/forum-41.html
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RhoneRanger
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Not quite..

I meant before mastering, after everything is recorded. What are you listening for in your mixdown in your monitors? Just a nice flat mix?

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AC
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RhoneRanger wrote:
Not quite..

I meant before mastering, after everything is recorded. What are you listening for in your mixdown in your monitors? Just a nice flat mix?


hmm, I'm listening for something which I think conveys the emotive content of the music ... so if it is a garage band banging out some punk I'll look to make the recording as transparent as possible ... did you ever hear early Ramones?

I think it comes down to belief in your ears and your sound ... it's an art, we all usually choose different combinations off a menu .. if your mix and my mix sounded the same it would be a pretty dull world, you know?

To summarise, do what you think conveys the music best, with room left for a mastering engineer to sprinkle some magic.

Is that too vague?
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RhoneRanger
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Nope, that was a perfect answer!

I guess I am taking this music thing very seriously, and I want to do things right. Like I said prior, I do not have a lot, but I buy quality, so with quality comes learning how everything fits together. Thank you for your answer!

Mastering is something I am not going to invest in just yet, I really like what's his name here on the forums stuff (Massive Mastering ??), so I am probably going to send it to him, unless you have other options that you guys are aware of??

I also have read from most mastering people, to give a nice mix at -4 to -6 DB before mastering, so that also helps.

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MIXING...

Just came across your thread and this might help...

Check out a book called "Mixing with Your Mind" . Its by a guy named Michael Stavrou and available from the site www.mixingwithyourmind.com

Not meant to be a plug, just a referal to one of the best books I have read on this subject. Well worth the look.

TT

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Hey Tony, why don't you elevate yourself to God status? Scan that book and upload it for us and you WILL be known as a God. icon_biggrin.gif Just a thought...

peace!

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^^+1

That book here in argentina costs me about a month of food and bills!!

SCAN SCAN SCAN!!!!

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